Hi all,
As Deborah said, I did find the Turville Pt. Letterbox and send back one of
her WAY COOL postcards. The view from the site is great, though I could not
stay long. It was quite cold and threatening to rain :( On the up side, my
sister-in-law, who resides in Madison, was eager to join in the Letterboxing
phenomenon as she is already a rubber-stamping enthusiast. (Matter of fact,
I'm sure she even has a Pooh stamp. What's the copyright policy on those if
Disney itself is selling them?) Furthermore, I'm sure to be spending much
more time in Madison, as I was also there over Halloween to see my newborn
baby niece (and future Letterboxer!) Hopefully by the time she's old enough
to comprehend it all there will be more than a few Letterboxes across the
country.
The Letterbox at Cave Point was also found recently, but by a friend of mine
who was testing my clue for me. He started from the Letterboxing USA web
site and followed through from there. Alas, he had no stamp, but he did say
it was a fun experience. He's moving to Florida in a couple of weeks, so
are there any Letterboxes in the Tampa area?
-Steven
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[L-USA] Re: Madison, WI, Letterbox
From: Steven Stary (STARSM26@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu) |
Date: 1998-11-14 14:51:58 UTC-06:00
[L-USA] Re: Madison, WI, Letterbox
From: (Letterboxr@aol.com) |
Date: 1998-11-14 18:24:54 UTC-05:00
Deborah writes:
> my sister-in-law, who resides in Madison,
> was eager to join in the Letterboxing
> phenomenon as she is already a rubber-stamping enthusiast. (Matter of
fact,
> I'm sure she even has a Pooh stamp. What's the copyright policy on those
if
> Disney itself is selling them?)
Deborah's comment leads me to ask:
Can I claim my works as original pieces of art if I created them using rubber
stamp impressions, and some of the stamps I used had copyrighted characters on
them? (whether store-bought or handmade)
Pooh or No Pooh, maybe we should consider using rubber stamp images for
graphics on the web pages? This would be a great way for some of the stamp
artists in the group to contribute to the site. It would be very appropriate
to the hobby and would be a great way to promote interest in the carving
aspect of it. We could print the fact that the graphic on the page was an
original hand-carved stamp image and give credit to the various artists for
their work.
I can see two possible methods for dividing up such a project among several
artists, if any should volunteer to participate:
1) Each artist could do a scene comprised of various stamp images. Each scene
would be the focus of one page on the website. In a recent post, I mentioned
four possible scenes (counting the map) that would be useful in creating a fun
online adventure.
2) Each artist could make a stamp (or two) of one assigned character. Then
the images of these characters could be combined to form the scenes for the
website.
Any Comments?
Any Volunteers? - - -
Sincerely,
"Der Mad Stamper" - Portland, OR
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> my sister-in-law, who resides in Madison,
> was eager to join in the Letterboxing
> phenomenon as she is already a rubber-stamping enthusiast. (Matter of
fact,
> I'm sure she even has a Pooh stamp. What's the copyright policy on those
if
> Disney itself is selling them?)
Deborah's comment leads me to ask:
Can I claim my works as original pieces of art if I created them using rubber
stamp impressions, and some of the stamps I used had copyrighted characters on
them? (whether store-bought or handmade)
Pooh or No Pooh, maybe we should consider using rubber stamp images for
graphics on the web pages? This would be a great way for some of the stamp
artists in the group to contribute to the site. It would be very appropriate
to the hobby and would be a great way to promote interest in the carving
aspect of it. We could print the fact that the graphic on the page was an
original hand-carved stamp image and give credit to the various artists for
their work.
I can see two possible methods for dividing up such a project among several
artists, if any should volunteer to participate:
1) Each artist could do a scene comprised of various stamp images. Each scene
would be the focus of one page on the website. In a recent post, I mentioned
four possible scenes (counting the map) that would be useful in creating a fun
online adventure.
2) Each artist could make a stamp (or two) of one assigned character. Then
the images of these characters could be combined to form the scenes for the
website.
Any Comments?
Any Volunteers? - - -
Sincerely,
"Der Mad Stamper" - Portland, OR
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[L-USA] Re: Madison, WI, Letterbox
From: Shannon Green (sgreen@wf.net) |
Date: 1998-11-15 11:28:40 UTC-06:00
At 06:24 PM 11/14/98 EST, Letterboxr@aol.com wrote:
>Can I claim my works as original pieces of art if I created them using rubber
>stamp impressions, and some of the stamps I used had copyrighted
characters on
>them? (whether store-bought or handmade)
You hold copyright on the composition but not the images which are already
copyrighted. So even though the composition would belong to you you
wouldn't have the right to display it or sell it without permission from
the manufacturers of the images you used. I think Deborah already
explained about angel companies.
I really don't have an opinion one way or another about whether or not to
use Pooh, or animals or whatever for the kids. They're not likely to
notice or even care about the time, thought and effort that went into
choosing the characters. I take that back, I have one small opinion that
I've been reluctant to bring up because it's really not that big of a deal.
I have a 7 year old daughter who won't hesitate to tell you that Winnie
The Pooh is for babies. She likes Pooh, she has nothing personal against
Pooh, but I'd better not dare buy her Pooh jammies or clothes because "Pooh
is for babies and she's not a baby anymore". Now, she's not yet into that
Spice Girls thing (thank you, God) but the Rugrats or Wishbone are way
cooler than Pooh. Do any of you know who Wishbone is? I think an animal
character like that, not necessarily a dog, but I think an animal dressed
in Sherlock Holmes type clothes carrying a magnifying glass might be fun
and might appeal more to the age group that's likely to "get" letterboxing.
Pooh is loved by preschoolers but realistically your average 4 year old is
probably not going to take an interest in this. Down here they teach basic
map skills starting in first grade but it's all still quite confusing for
my daughter so I've had a hard time getting her involved. I'm just a
thinkin out loud....
Shannon
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>Can I claim my works as original pieces of art if I created them using rubber
>stamp impressions, and some of the stamps I used had copyrighted
characters on
>them? (whether store-bought or handmade)
You hold copyright on the composition but not the images which are already
copyrighted. So even though the composition would belong to you you
wouldn't have the right to display it or sell it without permission from
the manufacturers of the images you used. I think Deborah already
explained about angel companies.
I really don't have an opinion one way or another about whether or not to
use Pooh, or animals or whatever for the kids. They're not likely to
notice or even care about the time, thought and effort that went into
choosing the characters. I take that back, I have one small opinion that
I've been reluctant to bring up because it's really not that big of a deal.
I have a 7 year old daughter who won't hesitate to tell you that Winnie
The Pooh is for babies. She likes Pooh, she has nothing personal against
Pooh, but I'd better not dare buy her Pooh jammies or clothes because "Pooh
is for babies and she's not a baby anymore". Now, she's not yet into that
Spice Girls thing (thank you, God) but the Rugrats or Wishbone are way
cooler than Pooh. Do any of you know who Wishbone is? I think an animal
character like that, not necessarily a dog, but I think an animal dressed
in Sherlock Holmes type clothes carrying a magnifying glass might be fun
and might appeal more to the age group that's likely to "get" letterboxing.
Pooh is loved by preschoolers but realistically your average 4 year old is
probably not going to take an interest in this. Down here they teach basic
map skills starting in first grade but it's all still quite confusing for
my daughter so I've had a hard time getting her involved. I'm just a
thinkin out loud....
Shannon
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[L-USA] Re: Madison, WI, Letterbox
From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) |
Date: 1998-11-15 12:29:50 UTC-06:00
Shannon Green wrote:
> I think an animal character like that, not necessarily a dog, but I
> think an animal dressed in Sherlock Holmes type clothes carrying a
> magnifying glass might be fun and might appeal more to the age group
> that's likely to "get" letterboxing.
A magnifying glass or a compass or both might be good additions. The Sherlock
Holmes image brings to mind for me those foot-prints... that I suppose may be
leading up to a letterbox?? I don't know. The foot-prints may imply that you
are looking for a suspect whereas the box was really put there by a friend who
intends for you to have fun.
Still I like the idea of the inspector and perhaps by finding each subsequent
box the inspector may get more clues to finding a friend
rather than a suspect?? Wouldn't this be a rather optimistic change
from the usual reason to seek out clues? The difference here is that the hider
of the box WANTS you to find it. But the suspect does NOT want you to find what
he is hiding...
I don't think the kids really need to wonder what dangers may be lurking in the
box, rather they should be concerned about what dangers there may be in
stumbling on a rock while looking for the box - because that is very real.
While we are designing (hopefully) pleasant surprises in our boxes it is always
possible to stumble while looking for them and perhaps there should be pitfalls
in our themes that reflect that reality.
But the real danger is to not have fun. So if the secrecy aspect can be woven
into a fun theme that is not too overwhelming for children I'm all for it. I
think a compass and a map designed by a friendly person who's been there will be
good imagery for them in addition to some optimism about what is at the other
end. While the box may be an unknown you still hope for a fun surprise in it.
It is always put there by another fun seeker who wants you to have fun also. I
guess that's where I think we should take the Kid's stuff.
Just thinking out loud here...
- Daniel
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> I think an animal character like that, not necessarily a dog, but I
> think an animal dressed in Sherlock Holmes type clothes carrying a
> magnifying glass might be fun and might appeal more to the age group
> that's likely to "get" letterboxing.
A magnifying glass or a compass or both might be good additions. The Sherlock
Holmes image brings to mind for me those foot-prints... that I suppose may be
leading up to a letterbox?? I don't know. The foot-prints may imply that you
are looking for a suspect whereas the box was really put there by a friend who
intends for you to have fun.
Still I like the idea of the inspector and perhaps by finding each subsequent
box the inspector may get more clues to finding a friend
rather than a suspect?? Wouldn't this be a rather optimistic change
from the usual reason to seek out clues? The difference here is that the hider
of the box WANTS you to find it. But the suspect does NOT want you to find what
he is hiding...
I don't think the kids really need to wonder what dangers may be lurking in the
box, rather they should be concerned about what dangers there may be in
stumbling on a rock while looking for the box - because that is very real.
While we are designing (hopefully) pleasant surprises in our boxes it is always
possible to stumble while looking for them and perhaps there should be pitfalls
in our themes that reflect that reality.
But the real danger is to not have fun. So if the secrecy aspect can be woven
into a fun theme that is not too overwhelming for children I'm all for it. I
think a compass and a map designed by a friendly person who's been there will be
good imagery for them in addition to some optimism about what is at the other
end. While the box may be an unknown you still hope for a fun surprise in it.
It is always put there by another fun seeker who wants you to have fun also. I
guess that's where I think we should take the Kid's stuff.
Just thinking out loud here...
- Daniel
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[L-USA] Re: Madison, WI, Letterbox
From: (FencePoste@aol.com) |
Date: 1998-11-15 16:22:48 UTC-05:00
In a message dated 98-11-14 18:25:46 EST, Letterboxr@aol.com writes:
<< Can I claim my works as original pieces of art if I created them using
rubber
stamp impressions, and some of the stamps I used had copyrighted characters
on
them? (whether store-bought or handmade)
>>
any "derivative" work of art, that is, art you create using another
copyrighted image, must be derived from your own work, or you must obtain
express permission from the owner of the copyright of the image. In other
words, if they didn't say you could do it, you can't.
Lynn
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<< Can I claim my works as original pieces of art if I created them using
rubber
stamp impressions, and some of the stamps I used had copyrighted characters
on
them? (whether store-bought or handmade)
>>
any "derivative" work of art, that is, art you create using another
copyrighted image, must be derived from your own work, or you must obtain
express permission from the owner of the copyright of the image. In other
words, if they didn't say you could do it, you can't.
Lynn
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